2 States - 22 Observations

**jumper69** · September 28th, 2005, 04:09 PM

Trav,

You know dang good and well that only about half of those statements are true or if they are true, they're not the 100% truth.

Comparing what happened in Texas to what happened in New Orleans is comparing apples to oranges.

While I agree that Mayor Nagin and Gov Blanco are perhaps two of the most incompetent government officials ever to be elected, to infer that Republicans are better than Democrats because of how two totally different hurricanes of different strengths were handled is disingenious.

Anton von Stockhoff · September 28th, 2005, 04:35 PM

Jumper, look at the source. Do yourself a favor and move on to the next topic....

**travelinman** · September 28th, 2005, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by G L G:
Jumper, look at the source. Do yourself a favor and move on to the next topic....

Most people that post here know most of my posts are designed to get comments back. You on the other hand are so wrapped up in your little man complex that you can?t see the forest for the trees.

Oh by the way, fuck you.

**travelinman** · September 28th, 2005, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Jumper69:
Trav,

You know dang good and well that only about half of those statements are true or if they are true, they're not the 100% truth.

Of course I do, but isn?t it fun?

[ September 28, 2005 01:49 PM: Message edited by: travelinman ]

Anton von Stockhoff · September 28th, 2005, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by travelinman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by G L G:
Jumper, look at the source. Do yourself a favor and move on to the next topic....

Most people that post here know most of my posts are designed to get comments back. You on the other hand are so wrapped up in your little man complex that you can?t see the forest for the trees.

Oh by the way, fuck you.<hr /></blockquote>Your scholarly approach is over shadowed only by your urbanity. I would like to say it's a pity such a great man has such bad manners, but in your case only the bad manners apply.

**travelinman** · September 29th, 2005, 03:18 AM

2 States - 22 Observations
email | 09/28/2005 | unknown

Things I have noticed while watching media coverage of the recent hurricanes.

1. Texas: Productive industrious state run by Republicans. Louisiana: Government dependent welfare state run by Democrats.

2. Texas: Residents take responsibility to protect and evacuate themselves. Louisiana: Residents wait for government to protect and evacuate them.

3. Texas: Local and state officials take responsibility for protecting their citizens and property. Louisiana: Local and state officials blame federal government for not protecting their citizens and property.

4. Texas: Command and control remains in place to preserve order. Louisiana: Command and control collapses allowing lawlessness.

5. Texas: Law enforcement officers remain on duty to protect city. Louisiana: Law enforcement officers desert their posts to protect themselves.

6. Texas: Local police watch for looting. Louisiana: Local police participate in looting.

7. Texas: Law and order remains in control, 8 looters tried it, 8 looters arrested. Louisiana: Anarchy and lawlessness breaks out, looters take over city, no arrests, criminals with guns have to be shot by federal troops.

8. Texas: Considerable damage caused by hurricane. Louisiana: Considerable damage caused by looters.

9. Texas: Flood barriers hold preventing cities from flooding. Louisiana: Flood barriers fail due to lack of maintenance allowing city to flood.

10. Texas: Orderly evacuation away from threatened areas, few remain. Louisiana: 25,000 fail to evacuate, are relocated to another flooded area.

11. Texas: Citizens evacuate with personal 3 day supply of food and water. Louisiana: Citizens fail to evacuate with 3 day supply of food and water, do without it for the next 4 days.

12. Texas: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials provide accessible distribution points. Louisiana: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials prevent citizens from reaching distribution points and vice versa.

13. Louisiana: Media focuses on poor blacks in need of assistance, blames Bush. Texas: Media can not find poor blacks in need of assistance, looking for something else to blame on Bush.

14. Texas: Coastal cities suffer some infrastructure damage, Mayors tell residents to stay away until ready for repopulation, no interference from federal officials. Louisiana: New Orleans is destroyed, major infrastructure damage in and around city, Mayor asks residents to return home as another hurricane approaches, has to be overruled by federal officials.

15. Louisiana: Over 400 killed by storm, flooding and crime. Texas: 24 killed in bus accident on highway during evacuation, no direct storm related deaths.

16. Texas: Jailed prisoners are relocated to other detention facilities outside the storm area. Louisiana: Jailed prisoners are set free to prey on city shops, residents, and homes.

17. Texas: Local and state officials work with FEMA and Red Cross in recovery operations. Louisiana: Local and state officials obstruct FEMA and Red Cross from aiding in recovery operations.

18. Texas: Local and state officials demonstrate leadership in managing disaster areas. Louisiana: Local and state officials fail to demonstrate leadership, require federal government to manage disaster areas.

19. Texas: Fuel deliveries can not keep up with demand, some run out of gas on highway, need help from fuel tankers before storm arrives. Louisiana: Motorists wait till storm hits and electrical power fails. Cars run out of gas at gas stations that can not pump gas. Gas in underground tanks mixes with flood waters.

20. Texas: Mayors move citizens out of danger. Louisiana: Mayor moves himself and family to Dallas.

21. Texas: Mayors continue public service announcements and updates on television with Governor's backing and support. Louisiana: Mayor cusses, governor cries, senator threatens president with violence on television, none of them have a clue what went wrong or who is responsible.

22. Louisiana: Democratic Senator says FEMA was slow in responding to 911 calls from Louisiana citizens. Texas: Republican Senator says "when you call 911, the phone doesn't ring in Washington, it rings here at the local responders".

What if state and local elected officials were forced to depend on themselves and their own resources instead of calling for help from the federal government?

Conclusion: Texas cities would be back up and running in a few days. Louisiana cities would still be under water next month.

Republicans call for action, Democrats call for help.

What party will you be voting for in the next election?

**jumper69** · September 29th, 2005, 12:50 PM

Of course I do, but isn?t it fun?

**jumper69** · September 29th, 2005, 01:08 PM

For Amusement Purposes Only... (my comments in color)

2 States - 22 Observations
email | 09/28/2005 | unknown
Things I have noticed while watching media coverage of the recent hurricanes.

1. Texas: Productive industrious state run by Republicans. Louisiana: Government dependent welfare state run by Democrats. True

2. Texas: Residents take responsibility to protect and evacuate themselves. Louisiana: Residents wait for government to protect and evacuate them. Also true but does not apply to everyone

3. Texas: Local and state officials take responsibility for protecting their citizens and property. Louisiana: Local and state officials blame federal government for not protecting their citizens and property. Hmmm....also true

4. Texas: Command and control remains in place to preserve order. Louisiana: Command and control collapses allowing lawlessness. Partly true...the infrastructure in Texas wasn't nearly as decimated by Rita as was the NO infrastructure by Katrina. 

5. Texas: Law enforcement officers remain on duty to protect city. Louisiana: Law enforcement officers desert their posts to protect themselves. Again, partly true. The "minimal" devistation to Texas allowed the officers to stay at their posts instead of worrying about protecting their families.

6. Texas: Local police watch for looting. Louisiana: Local police participate in looting. [color=#FF0000]I'm not aware of NO police participating in looting. And by looting, do you mean TV's and stereo's or essential survival items?

7. Texas: Law and order remains in control, 8 looters tried it, 8 looters arrested. Louisiana: Anarchy and lawlessness breaks out, looters take over city, no arrests, criminals with guns have to be shot by federal troops. Again, different levels of devistation allowed for different levels of law enforcement. 

8. Texas: Considerable damage caused by hurricane. Louisiana: Considerable damage caused by looters. Considerable misdirection: Louisiana took a massive hit by Katrina and looting only broke out when it became apparent that local, state, and federal agencies were not prepared to provide basic necessities

9. Texas: Flood barriers hold preventing cities from flooding. Louisiana: Flood barriers fail due to lack of maintenance allowing city to flood. If an investigation finds that construction of flood barriers were shoddy or not to code due to corruption, then jail terms should be handed out.

10. Texas: Orderly evacuation away from threatened areas, few remain. Louisiana: 25,000 fail to evacuate, are relocated to another flooded area. True. Not sure what that idiot Nagin was thinking. Although reason makes a valid point: Where were they going to go? Poor planning by Nagin/Blanco??

11. Texas: Citizens evacuate with personal 3 day supply of food and water. Louisiana: Citizens fail to evacuate with 3 day supply of food and water, do without it for the next 4 days. Do not know about this. 

12. Texas: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials provide accessible distribution points. Louisiana: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials prevent citizens from reaching distribution points and vice versa. Partly True. Areas in NO were inaccessible, or unsafe. Texas had significantly less damage and also FEMA had learned lessons from Katrina.

13. Louisiana: Media focuses on poor blacks in need of assistance, blames Bush. Texas: Media can not find poor blacks in need of assistance, looking for something else to blame on Bush. Probably True. The media sucks anyway

14. Texas: Coastal cities suffer some infrastructure damage, Mayors tell residents to stay away until ready for repopulation, no interference from federal officials. Louisiana: New Orleans is destroyed, major infrastructure damage in and around city, Mayor asks residents to return home as another hurricane approaches, has to be overruled by federal officials. True. I've said it before...Nagin is an idiot.

15. Louisiana: Over 400 killed by storm, flooding and crime. Texas: 24 killed in bus accident on highway during evacuation, no direct storm related deaths. False. There are now 4, I think, deaths reported from direct hurricane effects

16. Texas: Jailed prisoners are relocated to other detention facilities outside the storm area. Louisiana: Jailed prisoners are set free to prey on city shops, residents, and homes. Unknown. Probably true. Probably false.

17. Texas: Local and state officials work with FEMA and Red Cross in recovery operations. Louisiana: Local and state officials obstruct FEMA and Red Cross from aiding in recovery operations. Lessons learned from katrina helped here. Hindsight is 20/20. At least they learned from earlier mistakes

18. Texas: Local and state officials demonstrate leadership in managing disaster areas. Louisiana: Local and state officials fail to demonstrate leadership, require federal government to manage disaster areas. True

19. Texas: Fuel deliveries can not keep up with demand, some run out of gas on highway, need help from fuel tankers before storm arrives. Louisiana: Motorists wait till storm hits and electrical power fails. Cars run out of gas at gas stations that can not pump gas. Gas in underground tanks mixes with flood waters. True

20. Texas: Mayors move citizens out of danger. Louisiana: Mayor moves himself and family to Dallas. had not heard this...really?

21. Texas: Mayors continue public service announcements and updates on television with Governor's backing and support. Louisiana: Mayor cusses, governor cries, senator threatens president with violence on television, none of them have a clue what went wrong or who is responsible. True

22. Louisiana: Democratic Senator says FEMA was slow in responding to 911 calls from Louisiana citizens. Texas: Republican Senator says "when you call 911, the phone doesn't ring in Washington, it rings here at the local responders". It's easy to appear competent when you've already seen what NOT to do.

**Lew** · September 30th, 2005, 01:10 AM

Along those same lines-

1. Texas- UT whups up on Ohio State

2. Louisiana- UT whups up on LSU.

1. Texas- ZZ Top

2. Louisiana- AA Bottom

1. Texas- piss stain still visible from where Ozzy took a leak on the Alamo

2. Louisiana- Huey Long's blood stains still visible on the Baton Rouge Capitol

1. Texas- Clint Black

2. Louisiana- Britney Spears

1. Texas- chilli made from a goat and an onion

2. Louisiana- chilli made from whatever the hell swims by, typically invertebrates

1. Texas- James Michener

2. Louisiana- Anne Rice

1. Texas- The Lone Star

2. Louisiana- Pellicans. Like, get serious...

**Gunslinger** · September 30th, 2005, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Jumper69:
For Amusement Purposes Only... (my comments in color)

2 States - 22 Observations
email | 09/28/2005 | unknown
Things I have noticed while watching media coverage of the recent hurricanes.

1. Texas: Productive industrious state run by Republicans. Louisiana: Government dependent welfare state run by Democrats. True

2. Texas: Residents take responsibility to protect and evacuate themselves. Louisiana: Residents wait for government to protect and evacuate them. Also true but does not apply to everyone

3. Texas: Local and state officials take responsibility for protecting their citizens and property. Louisiana: Local and state officials blame federal government for not protecting their citizens and property. Hmmm....also true

4. Texas: Command and control remains in place to preserve order. Louisiana: Command and control collapses allowing lawlessness. Partly true...the infrastructure in Texas wasn't nearly as decimated by Rita as was the NO infrastructure by Katrina. 

5. Texas: Law enforcement officers remain on duty to protect city. Louisiana: Law enforcement officers desert their posts to protect themselves. Again, partly true. The "minimal" devistation to Texas allowed the officers to stay at their posts instead of worrying about protecting their families.

6. Texas: Local police watch for looting. Louisiana: Local police participate in looting. [color=#FF0000]I'm not aware of NO police participating in looting. And by looting, do you mean TV's and stereo's or essential survival items?

7. Texas: Law and order remains in control, 8 looters tried it, 8 looters arrested. Louisiana: Anarchy and lawlessness breaks out, looters take over city, no arrests, criminals with guns have to be shot by federal troops. Again, different levels of devistation allowed for different levels of law enforcement. 

8. Texas: Considerable damage caused by hurricane. Louisiana: Considerable damage caused by looters. Considerable misdirection: Louisiana took a massive hit by Katrina and looting only broke out when it became apparent that local, state, and federal agencies were not prepared to provide basic necessities

9. Texas: Flood barriers hold preventing cities from flooding. Louisiana: Flood barriers fail due to lack of maintenance allowing city to flood. If an investigation finds that construction of flood barriers were shoddy or not to code due to corruption, then jail terms should be handed out.

10. Texas: Orderly evacuation away from threatened areas, few remain. Louisiana: 25,000 fail to evacuate, are relocated to another flooded area. True. Not sure what that idiot Nagin was thinking. Although reason makes a valid point: Where were they going to go? Poor planning by Nagin/Blanco??

11. Texas: Citizens evacuate with personal 3 day supply of food and water. Louisiana: Citizens fail to evacuate with 3 day supply of food and water, do without it for the next 4 days. Do not know about this. 

12. Texas: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials provide accessible distribution points. Louisiana: FEMA brings in tons of food and water for evacuees. State officials prevent citizens from reaching distribution points and vice versa. Partly True. Areas in NO were inaccessible, or unsafe. Texas had significantly less damage and also FEMA had learned lessons from Katrina.

13. Louisiana: Media focuses on poor blacks in need of assistance, blames Bush. Texas: Media can not find poor blacks in need of assistance, looking for something else to blame on Bush. Probably True. The media sucks anyway

14. Texas: Coastal cities suffer some infrastructure damage, Mayors tell residents to stay away until ready for repopulation, no interference from federal officials. Louisiana: New Orleans is destroyed, major infrastructure damage in and around city, Mayor asks residents to return home as another hurricane approaches, has to be overruled by federal officials. True. I've said it before...Nagin is an idiot.

15. Louisiana: Over 400 killed by storm, flooding and crime. Texas: 24 killed in bus accident on highway during evacuation, no direct storm related deaths. False. There are now 4, I think, deaths reported from direct hurricane effects

16. Texas: Jailed prisoners are relocated to other detention facilities outside the storm area. Louisiana: Jailed prisoners are set free to prey on city shops, residents, and homes. Unknown. Probably true. Probably false.

17. Texas: Local and state officials work with FEMA and Red Cross in recovery operations. Louisiana: Local and state officials obstruct FEMA and Red Cross from aiding in recovery operations. Lessons learned from katrina helped here. Hindsight is 20/20. At least they learned from earlier mistakes

18. Texas: Local and state officials demonstrate leadership in managing disaster areas. Louisiana: Local and state officials fail to demonstrate leadership, require federal government to manage disaster areas. True

19. Texas: Fuel deliveries can not keep up with demand, some run out of gas on highway, need help from fuel tankers before storm arrives. Louisiana: Motorists wait till storm hits and electrical power fails. Cars run out of gas at gas stations that can not pump gas. Gas in underground tanks mixes with flood waters. True

20. Texas: Mayors move citizens out of danger. Louisiana: Mayor moves himself and family to Dallas. had not heard this...really?

21. Texas: Mayors continue public service announcements and updates on television with Governor's backing and support. Louisiana: Mayor cusses, governor cries, senator threatens president with violence on television, none of them have a clue what went wrong or who is responsible. True

22. Louisiana: Democratic Senator says FEMA was slow in responding to 911 calls from Louisiana citizens. Texas: Republican Senator says "when you call 911, the phone doesn't ring in Washington, it rings here at the local responders". It's easy to appear competent when you've already seen what NOT to do.

Jump, in response to some of these here is some more info for you to chew on:

on #6, I saw the new footage of two N.O. police officers in WalMart loading up a shopping cart with non-essential items. They should be fired and put in jail

on #11, citizens were given bottled water and MRE's when they were boarding the buses to evacuate.

on #16, N.O. prisoners were just let loose from jail. Read the article from the A.P. on Yahoo news.

on #20, the goofy Mayor did move his family and himself to Dallas before the storm. He has been "commuting" back and forth since then. Again, I read on on Yahoo news thru an article the A.P. printed.

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